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Cumbria Cycle Co-ordination Group

Meeting held on 25/10/06

 CCC Offices Kendal




Allan McNicoll (Chair)  Cumbria CC

Alex McCoskrie             Cumbria Tourism

Robin Martakies             Windermere Lake Cruises  

Richard Greene               Cumbria Tourism

Paul Lee                           Stagecoach

Barney Hill                      Lake District National Park Authority

Jason Dixey                     Cumbria CC

Chris Stevens                   Cleary Stevens Consulting/Gill Cycles

Judith Moore                    Friends of the Lake District

Tori Dodd                         Tourism and Conservation Partnership

David Bannerman             Amey Mouchel

                                          (Rep Highways Agency)

Jo Ratcliffe                       Environment Agency

Simon Wilson                   North Pennines AONB Partnership

Steve Taylor                     Capita Symonds

Lorayne Woodend            South Lakeland DC

Simeon Orme                    Rough Stuff Fellowship

Mark Sandamass               Pennine Events

Ted Liddle                         I M B A

Rupert Douglas                 Coopeer Douglas & Sustrans

Mark Allum                      Yorkshire Dales National Park

Carol Robertson                Copeland BC

Fiona McLeod                   West Lakes District Tourism Ptnr.

Phil Webster                      Duddon YHA

Nick Cotton                       Cycle Consultant

Carole Nelson                    Sedbergh Book Town Limited        


   Richard Greenwood

   Andrew Miles

   Simon Young

   Jonathan Smith

   John Reynolds

   Chris Ford     

               Shane Harris

               Graeme Wheelhouse

               Helen Haskayne

               Jim Loxham

               John Colhoun

               Deborah Hall

               Guy Fitzgerald

               Alistair McNeill

               Haydn Morris         


               Everyone introduced themselves

               - Minutes of last meeting accepted

              Matters Arising

   4)    Meeting with train operating companies (AMcN)

              Meetings have now been held with the 3 main Train Operating Companies (TOCs) in Cumbria ; Virgin Trains (VT), Northern Trains (NT)and Transpennine Express (TE) .

No significant changes planned to cycle carriage capacity; for next few years existing rolling stock in use though new TE trains to Barrow & Windermere start December ’06 (carry 2 bikes).Changes to present VT cross-country franchise from Nov 07

The TOC’s recognise the need to improve their websites if possible with on-line booking for bikes and links to main cycling/tourism websites (new Cycle Cumbria one)

The TOC’s welcomed promotional ideas eg  Tyne Valley Line and Hadrians Cycleway Way ,use of Settle & Carlisle in connection with  Cycling Festival, leaflets based around day rides from TE stations, better information and signing at stations.

NT draft cycling strategy to be circulated to group

Concerns were raised  over services on Windermere line following changes to Cross-Country Franchise Nov ‘07

There was   potential for Cumbria with direct rail services to tap into the number of cyclists arriving at Manchester Airport from USA/Canada : high spenders.

   5)         Cycling Festival (AMcCo)

 The Cumbria Cycling Festival is to be held on the week 7th – 13th May, County wide and specifically on  11th to 13th at Lowther, near Penrith.

‘Detailed Events’ have been appointed by Cumbria Tourism and they are engaging with local cycle businesses.  

The programme for the festival to be completed by Xmas ’06 so please let AMcC have any ideas etc asap.

If possible new publications should be aimed to be done by May so they can be publicised at Festival.  


AMcC asked if consumer databases could be given to him           


Unfortunately the Fred Whitton falls a week apart from the proposed festival.Reference was made to CTC birthday rides  and the Craven Bike Festival on 20th May .

There was a need to consider how to get people to the site (both cyclists and non-cyclists) ; shuttle bus one option from Penrith Station being considered.

   6a) Cumbria Cycle Map (RG)

1100 copies of the map have been sent out to Hill’s, a significant number of maps still with Cumbria Tourism.good time for review, going to inform how many sold.

It was suggested that there maybe merit in making it available in bike shops.

It was also suggested that other distributors could offer a better service ie Witby of Kendal


There was need to evaluate its success and feed this into a future review.The idea of asking people to feedback was raised and that this could be incorporated on website.

Action Pt : AMcN,AMcC & BH to incorporate feedback section on CCC ,Lake District Outdoors and LDNPA websites.   

      6b)          Other Publications/Branding (NC/RD)

                A number of new cycle map/leaflets are coming out –

Sedbergh,Dentdal & Lune Valley (circulated)

Arnside & Silverdale AONB (draft circulated)

Solway Coast AONB

Wheels to Wild (North Pennines AONB)

  Discussions are underway for maps for West Cumbria.

 There is need for central co– ordination and where possible a general agreement on pricing.

 There has been attempt in the new local publications to take forward the branding of the Cumbria Cycle Map.

 A McC highlighted that One North East for Northumberland had funded a 70 page free booklet, and that NWDA need to be approached to  get a similar sort of thing for Cumbria.

Action Pt :  AMcN & AMcCo to discuss how to take this forward.

Regarding branding RD noted if agreement can be reached  then it can be used across the county, and  draft text/visuals for branding were circulated for comment   


   7)  Cumbria Cycle Website (AMcCo)

Website funding  secured for first year and hopefully two years thereafter

Tender documents have just been sent out to consultants re. development and future management of website.

AMcC is keen to get full engagement on the website which should be in basic format by Xmas with people able to log on.

    8 a) Cycle Co-ordinator Update (RG)

Richard Greenwood of Cumbria Tourism has been exploring external funding opportunities to support the post and is meeting with the Council in November.

The need for a dedicated Cycling Officer was highlighted and reference was made to two officers employed by Sustrans in Northumberland.

The Council acknowledges the usefulness of a Cycling Officer though under the present financial difficulties faced its justification would prove difficult.However scope for funding it externally will be explored.

    8 b) Future Role of Cycle Co-ordination Group (AMcN)

The future role of the group was considered as part of the review of the Cycling Development Action plan carried out by Jo Cleary on behalf of Cycling England with a suggestion that it be subsumed into one County-wide group.

However the Council considered that the work of the group has been very useful in taking forward issues relating to cycle tourism and recreational cycling and continues in its present format with a sub group of interested individuals be formalised to meet more often to take matters forward in a co-ordinated manner.

It was agreed that the group had been very beneficial in taking issues forward and sharing information and its proposed continuation in its present format was endorsed.

9.    AOB

DB provided list of Highway Agency schemes recently completed and planned (attached )and please send him any comments

TL noted that he was now representing  Imba which provided support and advice on mountain biking issues.

JD gave an up-date on schemes involved in  

Flimby(Hadrians Cycleway) : awaiting confirmation of funding ;if successful route implemented by April ‘07

Workington (C2C) : 1km section from the Coastguard Building complete ; planning application submitted for link through Workington Hall from Stainburn.

Skelwith Bridge (Ambleside to Barrow ) proposal ongoing with bridge to be installed and improvements to Elterwater.

 and opportunities learnt from  partnership working during trip to  Holland. Some concern was raised over the success of European partnership funding.


         Date of next meeting  

 April 2007 in Kendal (date to be circulated)  



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